Hello runnoah28, were it mine, i would defintely leave the series 80 fps intact. Oct 26, 2018 in the end, the colt 1991a1 series 80 was, to a degree, the last of the affordable colts. Colt commander 45 apc series 70 vs 80 series thearmory. Convert colt series 80 back to 70 discussion in m1911 started by 84jeep, sep 27, 2011. Jan 10, 2019 the colt series 80 is an eyecatcher, right out of the box. This text assumes that the trigger group is mechanically sound, and that hammer hook and sear angles are correct and in agreement. Mine is a 20 desert eagle 1911 g which is a series 70.
I have a colt enhanced officers acp 1911 which is a series 80 pistol with the trigger activated firing pin safety. Convert colt series 80 back to 70 springfield xd forum. The colt series 80 is an eyecatcher, right out of the box. Colt gold cup enhanced series 80 smith and wesson forums.
Hi, i just entered the world of 1911s with a colt 1991a1. I spent much of my youth involved with firearms and felt the call early on to the united states marine corps. The 70 series differs from the 80 series model with 70 series short trigger has a much faster firing rate than the 80 series. Colts series 70 trigger put to the test series 70 vs. Notice i put word in parenthesis because i too have a series 80 colt 1911 and the trigger pull is excellent. Do not mess around with the engagement angle of sear and hammer, as this might compromise the function. The newer production models have become more of a status symbol than a working mans gun.
Not in the video but also used in comparison were two unfired colt m1991a1 series 80. My government series 80 has a trigger that needs no work. The series 70 made a comeback in 2002 in the new retro line named the mk iv series 70 government model. Colt series 708090 firearms talk the community for. As far as trigger pull on the series 80, it can be equally as good as a series 70 above about four pounds and anyone who tells you different is uneducated on the matter or is lying to you.
Series 80 i noted that the trigger was not all it was cracked up to be my colt 1911 enthusiasts. If your gunsmith is knowledgeable, he will know that an excellent trigger job on the series 80 is possible with all safeties intact. This is what the firing pin block is intended to prevent. A good gunsmith can do an excellent trigger job on a series 80 and still leave all the safety parts in place, although he will probably charge a little more than if the gun were a series 70 since there are more parts to work with.
For carry or competition, you cant beat wilson combat triggers. To get the best pull i tested each component of the trigger pull and found little impact on the trigger pull by. Tune a series 80 1911 trigger with these 3 easy tricks. Colt 1911 70 series was another collectible i\\\ve always wanted. The series 70 made a comeback in 2002 in the new retro line named the mk ivseries 70 government model. I did a trigger job this gun with dropin match parts. It uses the old model sights which i believe are built in the slide. For mods i had a gunsmith install a videcki trigger and do a trigger job to get it closer to a series 70 trigger. Trigger, ultralight match, solid pad no holes trigger, ultralight match. The entire gun, all the way down to the grip screw heads, has the same uniform finish. No, it doesnt boast a luxurious, polished blue sheen, but it does have a clean, almost black finish to it. Kit contains hammer pin, sear pin, trigger lever, and plunger. Well, the series 80 is a number of features added to the basic colt pistol which. This can happen whether the hammer is cocked or not.
Cylinder and slide series 80 trigger pull reduction kit. Contains firing pin block plunger, national match plunger lever, trigger lever, hammer pin and sear pin. Colt dumping old series 80 new in the box guns on market. Sep 16, 2015 how 1911 triggers work and what makes a good trigger vs cheap trigger job. Colt series 80 triggers i have a colt enhanced officers acp 1911 which is a series 80 pistol with the trigger activated firing pin safety. Aug 05, 2016 although not recommended by any manufacturer removing this safety system will make your series 80 1911 trigger better. In 1983, colt released a new 1911 design dubbed the series 80 also named for the decade during which it was released with a few design changes.
Colt colt series 70 vs series 80 triggers 1911addicts. Colt pistols 1911 series 80 for sale guns international. For an ipsc only race gun i would consider a series 70 gun or a series 80 gun converted to series 70 with a 3 or 4 lb. It is necessary to fill this frame gap so the sear will not wander over and lock up the sear trigger mechanism. Colt competition pistol line now uses series 70 firing. Tjs 1911 series 80 to series 70 conversion shims frame slot filler replace the gap used by the colt series 80 firing pin block actuating levers when removed by gunsmiths for crisper trigger pulls. Ct01409 colt beavertail griffsicherung fur 1911 xse frame series 80. Colt no longer manufactures 1911s with the swartz safety. The flat mainspring housing makes fitting a beavertail grip safety easier. Poor mans trigger job for use on pistols with stock hammer hooks of. The new colt series 80 also incorporated the new barrel bushing of the series 70, while being more reminiscent of the original m1911 by having a long trigger and flat mainspring housing. I replaced the pebble rubber wrap around grips with these colt wood grips and added brownells torx head grip screws. I dont want to waste money on kits that will do very little to help improve the gun. I have heard that an experienced smith can tune these triggers to match the feel of the 70 series by some experts but others have said it.
Its a goodlooking gun, classic to be sure with cues taken from the original including. Polish the trigger channel, sear, disconnector, hammer and pins. While i have whined about series 80 triggers in the past, i have to admit that david santurri did an excellent trigger job on my delta elite. Another very popular modification is to install a series 80 kit from cylinder and slide. It is possible to get a good trigger pull from a series 80 colt. In the end, the colt 1991a1 series 80 was, to a degree, the last of the affordable colts.
Colt has left behind the idea of being the everyday persons gun and has cashed in on being a collectorsprestige item. Series 80 1911 trigger pretravel, whats acceptable. May 22, 2009 a good gunsmith can do an excellent trigger job on a series 80 and still leave all the safety parts in place, although he will probably charge a little more than if the gun were a series 70 since there are more parts to work with. A short video on how to remove the series 80 safety modifications on a. Some earnestly look specifically only for a series 70 1911 and want to avoid the series 80 firing pin safety system and modifications at all costs. Series 70 vs 80, the difference is more than you think.
Parts are wire edm cut from bar stock, honed and polished, then heat treated for years of service life. Colt merely used the series 70 designation with the new guns as a means of identifying all pistols not using the firing pin safety system. Cut 2 coils off the mainspring, this will reduce the tension on the hammer and take some pull of the trigger. This worked wonders on my sw1911 and reduced the trigger pull from 7lb to a sweet, crisp 2 12 lb pull with 116 pre travel and no overtravel at all can be adjusted w. A look at the colt series 70 pistol the shooters log. Any series 80 gun will have a little bit of takeup and creep to it. Then there is little movement before the trigger breaks.
He has an 197080s colt gold cup which is a series 80. I replaced the stock sear spring and trigger in my colt mk iv series 80 government model. Most series 80 s owners remove the series 80 parts, with the execption of the liability conscious. I hear this pistol has a firing pin block making condition 2 safe. How to bypass colt 1911 series 80 safety system with. Id much rather have the series 70 guns but good trigger jobs can be done on the 80 series without removing parts. Tune a series 80 1911 trigger with these 3 easy tricks usa.
These parts drastically improve the trigger pull of any 1911 when installed individually. How to bypass colt 1911 series 80 safety system with trigger job. This is an intriguing change, one that should hit the mark with traditionalists and shooters who are after the snappiest trigger pull possible. Although not recommended by any manufacturer removing this safety system will make your series 80 1911 trigger better. These parts are coated with super hard titanium nitride and will reduce trigger pull by 14 to 12 lb. Customized series 80 model with 2tone finish, bomar sights, ambi safety and checkered grip frame and trigger guard. Ive since repeated my experiment see video below on sidebyside comparisons between probably half a dozen new series 70 colts and the current line of series 80.
Not in the video but also used in comparison were two unfired colt m1991a1 series 80 pistols. I have already had sights installed on it which was a big improvement. All professional 1911 experts will never recomend a series 80 gun. Did colt really use a plastic trigger on the 1991a1. Trigger pull reduction kit series 80 1911 by cylinder. Regarding the clone guns 1911pattern pistols made by manufacturers other than colt, only paraordinance adopted colts series 80 firing pin block system as well. Only a few years ago, i handled a brand new 1911 80 series govt model with a lighter trigger, hence my dissatisfaction with colts current employees. For disassembly and reassembly just youtube series 80 1911 disassembly heres a link to the trigger job. For my needs, for fast shooting and personal defense, the original is preferred and offers a shorter trigger reach. I also know that the combat commander was made in series 80. Tune a series 80 1911 trigger with these 3 easy tricks usa carry. A colt mk ivseries 80 and 90 semiautomatic pistol is ready to fire when a.
Oct 09, 2006 1911s typically have a fair bit of freeplay before you get any resistance. Series 80 guns have a few more parts to polish so rather than polish more parts they pull out the extra parts and install a spacer in the right hand side of the frame. If youre going to use an overtravel screwstop in the trigger, an n plunger lever, as used on the gold cup, may be necessary. As the title suggests, i have a colt 1991a1 that id like to perform some cheap upgrades to. Shop online now and buy direct from the manufacturer. Bypassing the series 80 safety components on the 1911 pistol. Each kit is tested on a series 70style frame to make certain it will produce the specified pull weight with little or no fitting. My buddy and i were comparing the triggers on our 1911s. Reduces series 80 trigger pull approximately one pound. I know the series 80 has that unique firing pin blocking mechanism. I would really just want to replace the hammer with the commander style and do a beavertail grip safety and maybe replace the trigger. I have heard that an experienced smith can tune these triggers to match the feel of the 70 series by some experts but others have said it cant be done without deactivating the safety. A friend brought his newly purchased, worked over 3 lb trigger colt to show me. Colt series 80 government 1911addicts the premiere 1911.
The video below shows how the series 70 stacked up against a blued, 2014vintage colt m1991a1 series 80. This is a discussion on colt government m1911a1 series 80 within the handguns forums, part of the gun forum category. All the models in the colt competition pistol line will now be outfitted with series 70 firing systems. They are not reliable and their actions are much worse than series 70s. How 1911 triggers work and what makes a good trigger vs cheap trigger job. Titaniumnitrided parts, with an exclusive molydisulfide coating, reduce trigger pull weight without risky modifications to series 80 colt s firing pin safety system. Anyway, i bought it on thursday and took it to the range on saturday. Trick out or upgrade your firearm with the largest gun parts selection at. The series 80 system does not cause play in the trgigger. Most series 80s owners remove the series 80 parts, with the execption of the liability conscious. Titaniumnitrided parts, with an exclusive molydisulfide coating, reduce trigger pull weight without risky modifications to series 80 colts firing pin safety system. Should you buy or modify a series 80 or series 70 1911. So, the addition of the firing pin block gives the trigger a little creep. What the cylinder and slide kit does is reduce the stack at the end of the trigger pull.
I was on a budget and i like the look and feel of the colt 1991a1 although the springfield and taurus 1911s definitely were also good options that i was considering. The thing about the series 80 trigger is that you feel resistance at the end of the trigger pull, as the trigger slightly stacks right before it breaks, kind of like most polymerframe strikerfired pistols. Contains firing pin block plunger, national match plunger lever, trigger lever, hammer pin and sear. The original colt series 70 was introduced as an improvement in fitting and finish. I had my old m1991a1 done and it was totally acceptable. Colt series 80 wtuning the firing pin safety includes ed brown hammer. Minor fitting to get the trigger in and the spring was a drop in. Im mainly looking to improve the trigger pull which is kind of bad. Previously, they were outfitted with series 80 firing systems. Reduces the creep and jump in the takeup thats inherent in these guns. Nov, 2010 1911s do not have a pivot safety what the video was showing was a thumb safety. Colt 1911 trigger job delta elite series 70 80 mark iv 9mm.
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